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4 hours ago, dast said:

Octane and U-Render seem to be the only candidates left. Unless they go subscription-only as well ...

We plan to offer subscription as people are genuinely interested but we have no plans to terminate perpetual license any time soon. So no worries about that. :cowboypistol:

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Well, for reasons I explained earlier in this thread, companies love the subscription model more than they love their customers.  So what market forces does this create if EVERY perpetual license we h

Seems like  maxon has no plans to include Redshift in C4D natively. They gave up on physical render too so I wonder how long they can keep charging the same insane prices without a decent built in ren

Quite simple....this decision is NOT made with the customer in mind.  Rather, the only ones who benefit from this are the business owners as it creates a guaranteed stream of revenue going into their

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5 hours ago, 3D-Pangel said:

 

Agreeing with you there....but if you just extended your image copy just a little bit more, you would see what gave me the concerns in my previous post:

 

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I can understand how the end of maintenance means end of support, but they also mention "perpetual license limitations" as well and then refer you to an FAQ for details but there is nothing directly addressing what happens to your perpetual license after your maintenance expires in that FAQ section.

 

Am I over-reacting?  Reading too much into it?  Maybe.  But the way these companies act only increases my paranoia rather than my trust. 

 

If you have more details about what happens to a perpetual license when maintenance expires, please share them.  I may become a Octane user if they can be trusted to never abandon perpetual licenses....but who can say that for sure?

 

Dave

 

 

 

Well in that case, just post in the forums or write an E-Mail to the support. I'm sure they will help you. The Octane team is pretty great.

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33 minutes ago, DasFrodo said:

 

Well in that case, just post in the forums or write an E-Mail to the support. I'm sure they will help you. The Octane team is pretty great.

Well...regardless...one big draw is that Octane supports Blender.

 

That makes it really interesting.  How slow is Eevee compared to Octane?

 

Dave

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1 minute ago, 3D-Pangel said:

Well...regardless...one big draw is that Octane supports Blender.

 

That makes it really interesting.  How slow is Eevee compared to Octane?

 

Dave

Redshift supports Blender as well. I didn't know that either until I stumbled over it in the Redshift forums. Runs surprisingly well. Some features are not implemented yet but you can already do A LOT.

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5 hours ago, 3D-Pangel said:

Well...regardless...one big draw is that Octane supports Blender.

 

That makes it really interesting.  How slow is Eevee compared to Octane?

 

Dave

 

 

Eeve is virtually real time. Think of the Maxon's viewport with everything turned on--screen space reflections, ambient occlusion, max antialiasing...and then imagine that taken up two notches in features and quality.

 

Perhaps you meant to ask about the relative speed of Octane and Cycles?

 

Octane is true unbiased rendering. It is currently faster than Cycles, IMO. Cycles X, a complete re-write, is underway, and looks promising.

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Am I the only one who is more concerned with the way the development progressed since a a short time before Maxon bought Redshift? Don't get me wrong, I like Redshift a lot and it is my go-to render but it feels like nothing "new" or money worth has been implemented that appeals to me. OCIO is great but I never use it, Mac support? Cool for them but I only use Windows. A bunch of Houdini additions and Blender support? Nice, but I only use Cinema...

 

I have 3 Redshift licenses and the only good thing about the monthly subscription is that I can turn 2 off when I am not doing extensive rendering

 

 

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10 hours ago, 3D-Pangel said:

How slow is Eevee compared to Octane?

 

4 hours ago, Icecaveman said:

Perhaps you meant to ask about the relative speed of Octane and Cycles?

 

Octane is true unbiased rendering. It is currently faster than Cycles, IMO. Cycles X, a complete re-write, is underway, and looks promising.

 

Check out this video. It's a real-world comparison of both CPU and GPU render engines.

 

 

 

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1 hour ago, hvanderwegen said:

 

 

Check out this video. It's a real-world comparison of both CPU and GPU render engines. I am curious to see what Cycles X can do. I don't know for sure if it's true, but the guy who built Cycles

 

 

 

 

Saw that video last week. From my experience Octane is about 40% faster, that's why I wrote, "It is currently faster than Cycles, IMO."

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For anyone who enjoys some good back story on tech, and info on key players...Brecht Van Lommel is a name you need to know.

 

Brecht built the original Cycles Renderer for the Blender Foundation. 

 

He also worked as a contractor for Otoy in the early design of Octane. Then from 2014-2017 he worked for Solid Angle / Autodesk as developer and tech lead on the Arnold renderer core.  (LinkedIn excerpt: "Focused on volume rendering, shading systems, sampling and performance, interactive rendering. Lead development for Arnold 5.0.)

 

Then couple years ago he returned to the Blender Foundation, and is spearheading work on Cycles X.

 

The top people in GPU rendering must be quite a small and elite fraternity, and Brecht is a titan in that group.

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13 hours ago, DasFrodo said:

Redshift supports Blender as well. I didn't know that either until I stumbled over it in the Redshift forums. Runs surprisingly well. Some features are not implemented yet but you can already do A LOT.

Really!  

 

No....really?

 

Had you not said it, I never would have known because it is not listed at their site (cheeky bastards).  But a quick search and I came up with this announcement page from last November (only 8 months ago....no need to put it on the Redshift main page yet.

 

Hmmm....I see my future changing with each passing day.  It would be nice to just chuck all this disappointment and worry over how Maxon is trashing C4D's reputation in their drive to full subscriptions and move on to Blender.  I do sense that Blender users are probably happier with the direction of the Blender.org than C4D users are with Maxon. Plus Blender has some exciting new developments going on such as Cycles X and I hear yet another huge leap in the UI with Version 3.0

 

 I do love X-Particles and Redshift though....but then again Blender supports Octane which in-turn supports Embergen.  If Insydium decides to port XP to Blender, my decision would be easier to make.  I hope they do that as they must already be familiar with the Blender SDK having worked on Cycles 4D.

 

Should Maxon announce subscription only for C4D in September (as we all fear they will), then I really need to evaluate making the transition to Blender/Octane/Embergen....that is a lot of new stuff to learn and it will take some time for a part time hobbyist to make that transition.  

 

Dave

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