Jops

Hi Björn, i really appreciate this statement. firstly because it contains information, but also because it explains MAXON's motivations and above all because it expresses regret for the situation we are in. All these threads are based on the fact that the users appreciate the program and that they depend on it to a certain extent. Losing control over an important part of your working day and income is scary. learning a new program is not impossible, but it's still a lot of work. i think most customers understand that MAXON has to earn money, but the 3D daily rates haven't changed much in 20 years or even dropped (at least here in Germany). No wonder some people are switching to Blender (which won't do their daily rates any good either). when the MSA costs were increased the year before last i didn't have the slightest problem with it, but an increase like the one now pending for the perpetual license (compared to MSA) is not justified. especially considering that perpetual owners have already given MAXON a lot of money, a higher price than for subscription is not understandable. The feeling that MAXON wants to drive its customers into a greater dependency (which of course already exists to a certain extent) is unfortunately obvious. Nevertheless, I think it's very good that there is the possibility to chat with MAXON employees here. I am confident that this will help to eliminate some misinformation and improve mutual understanding. best regards Florian

Hi srek, thanks for being here to clarefy things. I find it unfortunate, that MAXON is forcing its customers into a position where clarifications like this are necesarry, because firstly it is easy to loose perpetual by just updating and secondly by the existence of different update paths, which are not properly published on the website. So it seems to be possible with an R20 to start a subscription at a reduced price without losing the perpetual license, while there is no such possibility for owners of an R21 perpetual license (without losing the perpetual license). Please correct me if I am wrong. So it is not only because of the unwillingness and lack of understanding of the customers, but also because of MAXON's unnecessarily strict policy that these misunderstandings arise and that the corresponding discussions never end. best regards Jops

I am quite shure that we will see a R23 perpetual and maybe even a R25. So i am hopefull, that they will release at least two more perpetual updates. basically nothing changes for you besides the price. while before it was a MSA price it is now a "normal" perpetual price. So I guess you can upgrade just like before every year to a new perpetual version just for 25 to 50% more than you payed for you MSA (Depending of your first MSA purchase date). But unfortunately I am quite shure, that considering the much to high perpetual price, compared to subscription. we will see a lot of people who just skip the update (I might as well) resulting in MAXON removing perpetual in some years because of "the lack of interesst", while it was basically the decission on the high perpetual price by MAXON. The longer I think about that the clearer it accures to me, that when MAXON is not changing the price of perpetual this is the route things will go. Even if this should not be the intended outcome, MAXON is well aware of this posobility and is willing to sacrefice perpetual.

Did you or anybody else with this issue get a response by MAXON?

wow... that's a bit of an exaggeration i'd say 🙂 Even though MAXON is trying to scare away its old customers at the moment, it is one of the most successful 3D packages on the market. I have worked with animation nodes and at the moment, like many things in Blender, it is technically very interesting, but all in all not nearly as easy to use as Cinema. Blender is on the right track and if they keep it up it is not impossible that quite some alienated C4D users will switch to blender in the future. But at the moment I personally prefer Cinema for production than Blender. But if everything continues to develop as it has, MAXON should either speed up its development significantly or at least not scare away its customers.

Would be interesting what they tell you. And it would be interesting what their arguments are, that the MSA does not count.

I would look for normal maps and apply sub surface scattering into the emission chanel https://www.filterforge.com/filters/6551-normal.html

That is how it is supposed to be, as you payed them upfront. Sounds much more logical then charging those that already gave you a lot of money more then those that didn't.

I don't have any MSA anymore because mine was canceled late 2019 , but If you have a contract which states that all updates or upgrades of the program are included, and you signed it, it is not up to you to decide If you want to give the update away for free. that s what contracts are for. And even if there was a doubt about that, it would be much smarter to give this one version to those few that MAXON didn't quit early enough instead of getting a discussion about MAXON being dishonest.

That must e a joke. It would cost them much more to f... around with old customers and damage their reputation, then to give them access to just this one update. I hardly can believe that this is legal anyway (It is obviously an update to Cinem 4D R21, they don't even deny that). Man ... other companies spend Millions to puff up their reputation and MAXON is just throwing it away for penuts. that is not just unfair but plainly stupid. How is anybody suposed to trust them in the future? As much I like the new way of MAXON to stick around in forums. I really think that this pretentious fuss like if MAXON was Adobe does more harm than good. If I was in this situation I would pull all strings to make it known in the whole 3d community. That just doesn't feel honest.

If you have a MSA they owe you the Update. If there are hard decissions to make because of the transition then it should not be the user to pay for them. BTW we would not discuss S here, if MAXON would have handled it a bit more sensitive.

Interesting, that the UV tools are licensed from http://www.quelsolaar.com/ministry_of_flat/ that's the first time for a long time that I get aware of MAXON licensing external software.

you can check the logs of the dell machines and the server. maybe you have a problem with missing assents or just little memory on the clients

If I remember right the open movie projects form blender gives away quite good footage. Maybe you can find something there.

Thanks for confirmation, jup... that is what I am doing right now, but unfortunately it is quite a workaround in my case. I would really love MAXON to take care, that they do not loose functinability when overhauling a tool. That makes paying for an update really feel bad. And in this case I am quite shure, that it is no "limitation" they just didn't think about it, or considered it to be no importat feature. best regards Jops

Thanks for your response. I am well aware of this tab and its interface, but I am not aware of a setting that would let me get something like this: in R19 it is no problem to set it up acordingly.

Hi there, in old versions of C4d you can generate bevels on extrude nurbs but choose "non" for the caps. So that it generates the roundings, but not the surface plain. I can not find how to achive this in R21. Am I just overlooking something? best regards Jops

I am not shure if this is relevant in your case, but there is a issue with physical render ( I think in combination with motion blue) that when the visibility of objects gets zero or a ligh intesity geets zero that you might experience some sort of light flicker in certain frames.

People requested this for Net Render, long before Team Render was "developed". With netrender you where able to boot from a network drive, but for Teamrender it is not stable unfortunately. But you can use something like second copy to distribute the files.

looks like I put it in the wrong forum... 😞

Hi there, i am right now fighting with the c4d token system. It looks like thinks like "./results/$prj/$prj_beauty_" works on a local path, but on a network path it just doesn't work. (can not save please check path). The results folder already exists, so it only has to chreate one folder. If the folder is named by hand it works. It just does not work with two identical tokens for folder and fileman (as far as I researched it). Does someone else have simular problems? best regards Jops

I think that is what they are planing. keeping perpetual for the old not MSA update price and offering a MSA cost subscription. Well that is basically a price increase of 40%. Everyone can see it. It favors new customers over old ones (as they already invested a lot and are unlikely to quit). You can see it everywhere: New inexperienced users are flooding the forums. That is not bad and I have no objections. But when they alienate there experienced customers, they will have to educate the new customers themselves and not rely on the "fantastic comunity" who has just been taken advantage of.

you could try sphere mapping instead of UV mapping

Fantastic job. Well done !

not just that but also 15% of MAXON stock. english: https://ir.nemetschek.com/websites/nemetschek/English/2110/news.html?newsID=1874979 german: https://ir.nemetschek.com/websites/nemetschek/German/2110/news.html?newsID=1874981