wire frames will e coming! I know my obligations to the café! The body is pretty good structure wise, especially for me. tears are needless complicated. When I connect it all I am sure some of the body's polygons will get messed ups but, but they won't be anywhere it will matter much. Standard renderer (only one light), but it's just a screen shot for now. Sad thing is, the project it will go in has very cartoonish lighting, no shadows or AO so this will look less cool in the end. I am using this as practice fora much more complicated cartoon character I have been working on. makes me think I can actually accomplish something!