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If it's the big one that we hope and expect it to be I may just buy the Prime version. I could then use both Modo and C4D. Ironically at the moment I'm doing a Blender hard surface and robot modelling course and learning Blender although I may use Modo instead for the Robot part of the course. I'm using Bforartists rather than the regular Blender.

I think if r20 for the most part got some serious core speed ups, then its something that everyone will benefit from. Im with you on the priorities and lagging animation. Because C4D is a work horse, and is so diverse in its application its without doubt that not everyone will get what they want from a single update. The more a user invests into plugins, then less likely MAXON can deliver on features that will exceed, or even meet a dedicated plugin or application. Im one of these users that stands to pay the highest price to keep C4D going, while gaining the least as Im into character work, and have a set of plugins or apps thats replaced the render engine, Uv editing and sculpting. Being iv seen nothing that matches Vray, or Arnold outside the realms of hard surface objects, or speed I cant see Pro Render ever being used by me as of yet iv seen nothing that impresses me from it from other applications that use it. View port enhancements Im all for that, id like to see much better hair visualisation in the view port for instance. This could well be my last year of updates so it would be good to finish on a high, thats if I can even afford this year. Dan