3DKiwi

Give Per a pay rise!!

Happy New Year everyone. Already January 1 here in New Zealand :) I have a feeling 2019 is going to be a big year for Cinema 4D.

Sort of makes you wonder why we still have Thinking Particles in C4D. I almost wonder if MAXON should bite the bullet and remove TP then drop the price of the Studio version and then do a deal with Insydium where when you buy the Studio version first time round you can add on X-Particles at a discounted price.

I'm still using Blender 2.79 although I do have the Beta of 2.8 loaded. It's viewport display is much better than Modo's crappy "Advanced" display mode. Here's another screengrab of the Corvette. The tail is now finished. Just doing the wipers and then it's on to the wheels. What I like about Blender is the sheer quantity of deformers you can apply to a model and not have your scene grind to a halt. It's modelling tools are okay but not as good as Modo or even C4D although you do get used to the way Blender does things plus often if you're missing a modelling tool there's a plugin that can do it. Plus there are some awesome modelling plugins that do stuff neither Modo or C4D can do.

Yeah they need to make purchasing less restrictive. For instance I can't buy Cinema 4D from a USA reseller as I have done for other 3D apps. I'm restricted to an Australian or New Zealand distributor.

Just tried it in component mode i.e. vertex, edge and polygon. You can select an element by holding the right mouse button down a bit. Not that useful I reckon. What would be more useful if things were like Modo where you select elements with the left mouse button as you do in C4D but right clicking defines where the modelling axis / action centre is.

Yes. Check out the promo video. Gotta love those materials!! Course cost $60 on Gumroad. Really enjoying it.

Here's what I'm working on in Blender at the moment. Have to say I'm warming to Blender but it's modelling tools are still away behind C4D and Modo. However it handles a lot of stacked modifiers (deformers) much better than either C4D or Modo. The model makes heavy use of the shrinkwrap modifier where you have a hidden high res mesh. Then on top of it you have your mesh that you cut holes out of. By shrinkwrapping the lower res sub-d mesh on to the high res mesh you maintain correct curvature, something you often lose when Sub-d modelling.

No. I live 2 hours drive away so a comfortable drive. It would mean staying the night. Not really a problem. Only issue is I'm a Modo user now and can't see any real reason to come back to using Cinema 4D. I doubt you would want me rabbiting on how much better Modo is. Hope it goes well for those attending.

Excellent news.

C4DZone is online for me.

C4DS - excellent. Suggest you upload this file to the Cafe's download section. The points to circle script is one of the most downloaded files from the Cafe. Having a radius adjust option would be super cool. Modo has a points (edges and polygons) function that works the same but with options to change the radius and spin the selection. I use it regularly.

You're over thinking this Fastbee. Unless you're thinking of applying I wouldn't stress over it.

Pretty good news from the sound of things. To go global I would hope that MAXON does away with the restrictions they place on 3rd party resellers. e.g. From New Zealand I can't buy C4D from a US reseller as I've done with other 3D apps like Modo and ZBrush.

I like the dark skin. I like have the unread content button at the top rather than having to scroll to the bottom. I still reckon it's too hard to find the cafe's free tutorials. They should have a link of their own along side "Gallery".

I'll try to be fair and balanced (tough I know :) ) Had a bit of time now to look through things. This is clearly the best and biggest update in years and there's a lot of things I like. However it's not the "Big one" as many of us were expecting. The antique UV toolset is part of the old core so with no updated UV toolset R20 is still heavily reliant on the old core. Hence no big improvements in handling lots of objects apart from multi instances. My guess is the core is done and has been done for a few years. Problem is they were late starting on the UV toolset rewrite. To take out the old UV toolset they have to put in the new core completely and they can't put that in until the UV toolset is more or less complete. I think if I was still using C4D I would be reasonably happy with the update although it largely depends on what you do and what version you are running. As a hobbyist who might only be using the Prime version I'm disappointed to see that I wouldn't be getting the new volume modelling, probably the thing that I would get most use out of. Looks like my Bodypaint tutorials are safe for another year with the toolset still the old one as mentioned. MAXON are really dragging the chain updating the UV tools. MoGraph users should be pretty happy and there's plenty for them to play with. So well done to MAXON and their team. Some excellent enhancements but I think you should say when the full new core with updated UV tools are coming. But I can't see anyone using another 3D app busting their gut to jump ship to R20. In fact Blender 2.8 looks like it could pick up a few disgruntled users from various 3D apps. So is Modo that I use any better with their upgrades. Nope. The Foundry aren't piling on the new stuff. It's more about incrementally refining and enhancing things over 3 releases per year rather than dropping everything in one hit. I'm into modelling so the last few versions have focussed a lot on modelling improvements so I'm generally happy. Stability with Modo isn't really an issue any more and it's generally very stable. Not as stable as C4D but a long way from the crash fest it used to be. This means I won't be buying myself a copy of R20 Prime. I can afford it but since there's no updated UV tools, no volume modelling and no Physical renderer I'll be hanging to my money. Plus I can't believe it, but to get Prorender I would need to buy the Studio edition (as per MAXON's product comparison page). Ludicrous!! Enjoy R20 everyone :) Nigel / 3DKiwi

A lot. Modo has some pretty cool modelling systems that I can't see Cinema 4D having any time soon. By that I mean Meshfusion and procedural modelling. That said there are things I miss like spline modelling in C4D. Modo does splines (called curves) but it's rather basic. I think a more likely scenario is I run both. I've just shelled out US $399 for another year's maintenance for Modo so not about to ditch it any time soon. I would just buy the base version of C4D if I was to get back into C4D. I think at a minimum R20 should have a completely new UV editing system. This would include udim support, support for edges and be a lot easier to use than it is now. Anyone that's used Modo for UV mapping knows it's light years ahead of C4D. That plus the new super fast core which I assume will be multi-threaded. XPresso would then also be multi threaded. Highly likely is a nodal material system being part of an updated XPresso. Then there will be a number of enhancements across the app e.g. Mograph, rendering, modelling, remembering that there's a new modelling core that we saw in R19. We'll know in a couple of weeks :)

I expect R20 to be the big one. i.e. new / fast core that can handle a ton of objects, rewritten UV tools, XPresso 2. Possibly as well: nodal material system, modelling tool enhancements, new particle system to replace TP. Fun times ahead.

I wouldn't hold your breathe for a R20 review from me. But hey, anything's possible. Things are looking up for MAXON going by the Day 1 blog post from the new CEO. One of my criticism's of MAXON was communication with their customers so it's very good to see something from the person at the top.

If it's the big one that we hope and expect it to be I may just buy the Prime version. I could then use both Modo and C4D. Ironically at the moment I'm doing a Blender hard surface and robot modelling course and learning Blender although I may use Modo instead for the Robot part of the course. I'm using Bforartists rather than the regular Blender.