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Release Cycle is speed up but perpetual upgrading price stays the same or rises 😁

Yes you still sell perpetual licenses for Trapcode 16 and Magic Bullet suite 14. What about 17 and 15? In other words people can still buy the old version 16 and 14 but if they want the up to date edition from now on its subscription time. Now I call that end of perpetual licensing.

Just for your fellows information: As expected (sooner or later) Maxon has now ended perpetual licenses for Red Giant products. If there is still a "demand" Maxon will as the non greedy company they are still offer perpetual licenses for Cinema 4D (read whole article). http://www.cgchannel.com/2021/09/maxon-ends-perpetual-licences-of-red-giant-products/ How this so called "demand" is measured is another question. I doubt that shutting down the perpetual license option will have anything to do with demand. Only profit. Im happy that I stopped upgrading Red Giant products a year ago but Im still furious about how many thousand of dollars I have spent on these products and Cinema 4d just to be pissed on by Maxon and their altruistic former Adobe manager. Someone should seriously consider starting a case at the EU level and let their economists an lawyers investigate if this subscription hell in the software business isnt violating free market terms. I would claim that subscription is nothing but monopoly in disguise because each software is so specialized that the cost of switching to another one is very high in terms of time use and cost of course. Subscription captures the customers in an every ongoing trap because their work is worth nothing if they unsubscripe. For example its illegal for industial companies to make special nuts an bolts for machines to force the customers to pay a higher prize for maintenance. Other companies should be allowed to compete for that. Apple was forced to use usb-c ports for the same reason. This business should seriously be researched for having a monopolistic market situation. How Maxon were allowed to buy Red Shift and Red Giant is beyond me. The rule is that companies that want to take over smaller companies to create a monopoly shouldt get allowed to. I guess a lawyer or two sleept in their law school.

How can this be when most other software companies have solutions where you can upgrade on their website with your local tax added? There isn't even a price shown. I can't think of any other plausible reason than MAXON wants to signal that perpetual licenses and upgrade licenses are yesterdays solutions. You have to go through a lot of troubles to reach the upgrade so why not just go the subscription way instead. Next step I believe is abandoning perpetual license option (and then I'm gone). The way the license options are presented looks a bit like Sketchup's website just before they stated that perpetual licenses would be discontinued.

Ah so changing the name from "R22" to "R23" makes a price increase of 30 pct. for an upgrade. That's so brilliant. Now I'm surely not going to Blender. And I will for sure upgrade all my expensive C4D plugins because there will for sure be perpetual licenses available next year and the year after that.

Hi first post here Only a hobby user but joined because I want to join the discussion of the subscription bad new from MAXON. Anyway I actually have the Studio version since R16/17 with MSA. Haven't had the time to use Cinema as much as I wanted. I really don't buy the argument about people with restricted budgets now having the possibility to join Cinema because they can rent the software. First of all they could already get most of their needs covered in the more restricted versions and with a perpetual license. Second newcommers are actually allowed to put an amount aside each month and after some time they would have enough to buy a perpetual license. If you can afford a subscription you could save the money instead and buy the perpetual license afterwards. The subscription argument is only a cover up for changing thte license term to a monopolistic rental business model. where the customers are tied to paying each month forever. The subscription price can increase exponentially and even then a lot of users would not leave to start all over and learn another 3D program and loose the work they have made. This Adobe business model has the advantage for the company that the company can use a minimum effort in developing new features and in fixing bugs while they get a steady payment anyway. Instead they can increase their marketing budget to get more customers. I really can't see how this business model can be beneficial for existing or new customers.