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It feels like there is still a long list of stuff C4D really needs to add and sort out but with this release I feel now that the development train is strong on track to get there. Particles must have taken a long time to develop, design, test and everything. Now that it's here they can furthe develop it and also turn their eye to the other areas that require improvement.

This is an awesome release and I'll be re-subbing after the September release comes out.

Dave's trolling powers have also levelled up. https://x.com/dmcgavra/status/1778434672134914467?s=61

Useful video.

Really cool release, with lots of goof stuff! EDIT - Holy S***, this release is even chunkier than usual. Hats off to the devs, they've done a great job with this one. RocketLasso is doing a live stream with some Maxon folk (probably Rick?) later today.

Maxon have an ask the trainer special in two days time. So we'll see everything between now and then.

From the Creative Bloq twitter (X) page, where they had linked the above story just before it was taken down.

Maxon probably said, hey guys, can you wait a bit for us to announce it, before you announce that we've announced it?

You're not wrong at all, but over the past decade or so(!) there may have been an air of 'why bother beefing this bit up more, it's all on the old core and we'll only have to re-do it again in six or seven years anyway." Now that the new core is finally (?) here, that excuse can go in the bin and they can spend more time mucking around polishing stuff. At its most dramatic, this analogy may explain why Bodypaint was left sitting on a park bench, gathering dust and slowly earning its own entry in Ripley's Believe It or Not.

There's another release due in September(ish) which is just five months away, so they'll need some other new cool features to keep everyone excited. Will be nice if they can continue to beef up the particle stuff for sure.

Maybe. Casey Hupke will also be demonstrating some particle stuff in C4D at NAB.

Probably during the NAB show just announced so I guess two weeks to go.

Just found an uncropped image of dear Lena Forsén. Phwoarr. I'm moving to Sweden. The NAB show in a fortnight must be where Maxon dump particles on us. Even the graphic is a bit sparkly. I'm thinking of champagne bubbles, though given all the pent up excitement I wouldn't rule out something else either. Back to researching more pics of Lena, her pink feather boa is quite nice.

I tried the first and last videos. The brief music is way too loud compared to the narration.

Those sort of jokes would just be depressing or annoying, especially the one going, 'here's a really great release... ha, fooled you!'. The list of people who would laugh at that one isn't a long one. But I expect Maxon to announce Noseman has started a new donut company or that they're changing the name of C4D to 'Barry Fitzgerald Redwolf, Private Investigator', because marketing told them it would be a good idea.

Don't get Maxon started. It only gives McGavran and the devs the chance to mess with our heads, the same way a fisherman will playfully poke a Canadian snow crab with a stick before hoisting it into a sack and taking it home to the wife to make a slow-cooker bisque with croutons, pepper, tomato and shrimp.

Someone get the Maxon guys drunk immediately, if one of them is spilling the beans, it shouldn't be hard to get the others to crack. Something new is coming and it's got particles in it somewhere! Hang on, I think we figured this out a couple of pages ago.

You might see this, everyone else is generally seeing what looks like a new particle system on the way. They've said a few times that all sim stuff is now unified, so you can bounce soft bodies off a rigid body dynamics sim while warming it up with Pyro and throwing some string or noodle simulation at it. Shortly you'll hopefully be able to spray it with particles while it does so. I'm really hoping that by the end of next year the whole sim will be able to be washed away with a flood of water, because that's another one for the big list of stuff Maxon seem to be finally tackling.

Yeah nothing in the world will matter by 2028.

Awesome. Paul is a really cool guy and has been the friendly face of C4D for such a long time. I'm sorry he is leaving Maxon but really hope he lands in a spot he is enthusiastic about.

Someone's had fun designing the new icons, check the cool little apple logo in the Object manager.

Dave's retweet five days earlier, the statue melting, also looked like particles, maybe. But this is all cool and I'm glad new tech is finally coming into C4D after a length of time I never want to think about again.

Given everything you've said and listed and described, I have no idea why you're shoehorning animation students in a high ranked animation program into learning C4D. If they go for a job anywhere to animate anything serious, that company will be using Maya. I like C4D as much as you do but when I visit CG catch ups in this city, the crowds of kids who are all showing off their mograph stuff are all using C4D. And the groups of folks fussing over their animation reels and going to talks from visiting guys from overseas studios, including Disney, are all exclusively using Maya. I haven't been to one but I suspect if I visited a VFX nerd get together locally all the guys obsessing over their fire and explosion and water sims for reels would be using Houdini. SideFX comes out here all the time so someone must be using it. Dave McGavran should send you a free C4D mug for your efforts but if $100 for Maxon One is a bad deal for a class full of high ranked animation students, possibly they should be learning animation on a standard animation app like Maya instead. You've listed lots of reasons why they should and not many why they shouldn't, so this is probably something you need to sort out more than Dave and the guys at Maxon do. I do think C4D will have its animation tools and everything updated and made competitive sometime by 2028 or so, so in a few years C4D might be a fighter in that field again.

Is Maya doing motion graphics now? And all this is to do what? Make motion graphics, or something else? If you're teaching those students of yours how to make animated shorts and stuff that would appeal to job openings where they're trying to do Dreamworks / Pixar / animated character stuff, Maya might be the best choice there. You could skip all the reasons you listed and just add another. Most other animation students in the state or country are probably also using it and students diving in will find things 1000% easier if they do what everyone else is doing. If the students are trying to learn motion graphics, the above list of negatives just comes across as whining. They can either get over it and learn the software and become competitive, or do something else. You've probably specified in earlier threads exactly what you're teaching these students so I apologise if I don't have immediate recall of it. But if it's a generalist course there's likely no burning need to use C4D. I still think as an intro to CG that C4D provides one of the easiest ways in though, as it's easy enough to get started and begin making things with. I haven't followed the UI of every other 3D app out there, but I would not say C4D has a bad UI, which is really the main point. It has a nice cleanly laid out UI and it's easy to grasp and use. This is unless you prefer the old pre-R25 look, which I can't fathom at all but a few people here and there apparently do. If they buy the software post-graduation they won't have to worry about how students get treated at all. They can just do what everyone else does, subscribe, use it, maybe make money from it, or don't. The $100 for Maxon One for a student is dirt cheap because of the opportunity it gives them - try out Maxon One for a year (or two or three) to see if you can get proficient at everything it does, and whether it points toward an enjoyable and practical career path for you. Folks who try it and find themselves nodding and seeing it as the way forward will find the $100 well spent as it's given them that info they couldn't have received otherwise. Meanwhile, folks who spend the $100, don't really click with it, and decide that a different app or even a different area of CG is preferable, now again have some really useful info they can run with and use. They didn't click with C4D so probably motion graphics isn't for them, so they should probably jump on the Maya train or (if you prefer) Blender. I think a lot of folks use C4D for a reason, and there are also a lot of people out there who don't use C4D for a reason. Both reasons are legitimate, but I just question how many people in either camp are there simply because they couldn't afford $100. You might feel the number is really high, but everything I've seen suggests to me that other considerations are likely taking precedent.

Teacher goes up to a bunch of students, beginning of the school year for a two or three year course. The class looks at him. "Hey kids, this year we're going to learn Cinema 4D! It's really easy and intuitive and does a lot of cool stuff. it's my personal favourite." The students all look at him. "One thing though, over the life of this two/three year course, the software does have a fee. It's hugely cheaper than buying it and you can use it as much as you want, plus you get lots of other cool software like Zbrush bundled with it. But it's a $100 a year. You pay the $100 and you can chuck all this software on your laptop, it'll be easy and fun to learn, and you should be able to make some amazing stuff." The students all look around at each other. No one says anything. The silence feels like it might go on forever. "Or.." says the teacher "..as an alternative, we can all learn some software that isn't quite suited for career work, and it's a bit less intuitive, and it's not my absolute favourite, but it's free. That one's called Blender." The class as one breaks into an enormous YAYYYYYYYY!!!!!!!!! People jump up and cheer, papers fly around the room, the kids are dancing arm in and everyone is cheering with joy. Everyone breathes a sigh of relief and sits down to learn Blender. This will be amazing and a happy ending for no doubt everyone but I do kind of wonder how all those kids are going to fare when they're out looking for a job and they tell the recruiters about all the free software they used rather than the paid ones like Photoshop.